Here's Alison Hulme again: It's the idea that once people had enough to meet their kind of basic needs there was this kind of moral slide into consumerism.

这是艾莉森·休姆再次谈到的：有一种观点认为，一旦人们的基本需求得到满足，道德就会滑坡为消费主义。

I mentioned before that 'thrift' is a difficult idea to define, so here's Alison Hulme, a lecturer at the University of Northampton, explaining more to BBC Radio 4's programme Thinking Allowed.

我之前提到过，“节俭”是一个很难定义的概念，所以下面请听北安普顿大学的讲师艾莉森·赫尔姆对 BBC 电台4频道的节目《Thinking Allowed》做进一步的解释。