According to psychologist, Margaret Heffernan, caring and fatigue are closely connected.

心理学家玛格丽特·赫弗南认为，关心和疲劳密切相关。

Well, Margaret Heffernan suggests that we see this kind of behaviour in the human workplace.

嗯，玛格丽特·赫费南表示我们在人类职场中也能看到这种现象。

Here's Margaret Heffernan, and by the way, the noun for a group of chickens is a flock.

下面是玛格丽特·赫费南的话，顺便一提，描述一组鸡的名词是一个鸡群。

Well, here's Margaret Heffernan talking to BBC World Service's, The Documentary Podcast.

好吧，这是玛格丽特·赫弗南同BBC全球服务节目的The Documentary Podcast谈到的。

Like Margaret Heffernan, Tom Rivett-Carnac believes the news media is part of the problem.

和玛格丽特·赫弗南一样，汤姆·里维特-卡纳克也认为新闻媒体是该问题的一部分。

The new nations welcomed their new independence, but Heffernan says experts who advised national delegations during the negotiations were not economists.

新的国家对其独立表示欢迎，但赫弗南说协商期间提供给国家代表团提供建议不是经济学家。

In the radio programme The Joy of 9 to 5, produced by Somethin' Else for the BBC, entrepreneur Margaret Heffernan described an experiment.

在由《BBC的另一些东西》制作的电台节目《朝九晚五的乐趣》中，企业家玛格丽特·赫费南描述了一个实验。

" The Austro-Hungarian Empire, this vast zone to the southern part of Europe, is divided up into a range of smaller states, " said Heffernan.

“一直蔓延到欧洲南部的大国奥匈帝国分裂成多个小国家。”

Margaret Heffernan mentions that spending too much time reading depressing online news can leave us feeling numb - unable to feel any emotions or think clearly because we are so upset or afraid.

玛格丽特·赫弗南提到，花太多时间阅读令人沮丧的网络新闻会让我们感到麻木——无法感受任何情绪或清晰地思考，因为我们如此不安或害怕。