So he's really been helping us think about the design of the policy pathway, Rajiv Sethi is another economist, Lucas Stanczyk is a philosopher at Harvard who has been scrutinizing the civil liberties and justice questions.

所以他真的一直在帮助我们思考政策路径的设计，Rajiv Sethi 是另一位经济学家，Lucas Stanczyk 是哈佛大学的一位哲学家， 他一直在仔细研究公民自由和正义问题。