Right, right. Elif, thank you so much.

是的是的。 Elif，非常感谢你。

To Elif, what matters most is what people think in Ukraine.

对 Elif 来说， 最重要的是乌克兰人的想法。

Elif, it's such a pleasure to have you. Welcome back to the show.

Elif，很高兴有你。欢迎回到节目。

Because it's been a year now and Elif thinks there's still some nuance missing.

因为现在已经一年了， Elif 认为仍然缺少一些细微差别。

It's a theory Elif is borrowing from the literary scholar Edward Said.

这是 Elif 从文学学者 Edward Said 那里借用的理论。

Elif, can you tell us what Pushkinopad is?

Elif，你能告诉我们 Pushkinopad 是什么吗？

Yeah. Elif, thank you so much! This was really thought-provoking.

是的。 Elif，非常感谢你！这着实令人深思。

But the only way for him to get published, as Elif said, was to write in Russian.

但正如 Elif 所说， 让他出版的唯一途径是用俄语写作。

Elif and I are talking about this because in addition to writing bestselling novels, she has a PhD in comparative literature.

Elif 和我谈论这个是因为除了写畅销小说外，她还拥有比较文学博士学位。

But this is where things get really interesting, because Elif thinks that the problem with the imperial novels runs much deeper.

但这才是真正有趣的地方，因为 Elif 认为帝国小说的问题要深得多。

Yeah, yeah. Elif, I'm curious what you would recommend to somebody who's deciding to read a Russian classic now, or an American classic now, or a British or a French classic now.

是啊是啊。 Elif，我很好奇你会向那些现在决定阅读俄罗斯经典、美国经典、英国或法国经典的人推荐什么。